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    <itunes:author>Yoel Inbar, Michael Inzlicht, and Alexa Tullett</itunes:author>
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  <title>Episode 119: The Future of DEI in Higher Ed (with Amori Mikami)</title>
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  <itunes:episode>119</itunes:episode>
  <itunes:title>The Future of DEI in Higher Ed (with Amori Mikami)</itunes:title>
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  <itunes:subtitle>It's been a tumultuous time for DEI (diversity, equity, and inclusion) efforts in higher education. Whether due to political pressure, internal dissension, or both, many prominent institutions are revamping or even eliminating their DEI offices and rethinking DEI policies that once seemed unquestionable. Amori Mikami from the University of British Columbia re-joins the show to talk about the changes, what she thinks universities ought to be doing, and what she thinks we they can do better. </itunes:subtitle>
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  <description>&lt;p&gt;It's been a tumultuous time for DEI (diversity, equity, and inclusion) efforts in higher education. Whether due to political pressure, internal arguments, or both, many prominent institutions are revamping their DEI offices (or even eliminating them altogether) and rethinking DEI policies that once seemed unquestionable. Amori Mikami from the University of British Columbia re-joins the show to talk about the changes and what she thinks universities ought to be doing (as well as what she thinks we can do better).&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Along the way, Yoel and Amori talk about the use of race and gender in hiring, diversity statements, October 7 and the Gaza war, and institutional neutrality (in short, this episode touches every third rail imaginable). There's some debate and some agreement, but most importantly we both finish our beers. Special Guest: Amori Mikami.&lt;/p&gt;
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<p>Along the way, Yoel and Amori talk about the use of race and gender in hiring, diversity statements, October 7 and the Gaza war, and institutional neutrality (in short, this episode touches every third rail imaginable). There&#39;s some debate and some agreement, but most importantly we both finish our beers.</p><p>Special Guest: Amori Mikami.</p><p>Links:</p><ul><li><a title="Amori Mikami - UBC Department of Psychology" rel="nofollow" href="https://psych.ubc.ca/profile/amori-mikami/">Amori Mikami - UBC Department of Psychology</a> &mdash; Associate Head, Equity, Diversity and Inclusion</li><li><a title="The rise of citational justice: how scholars are making references fairer" rel="nofollow" href="https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-022-00793-1">The rise of citational justice: how scholars are making references fairer</a></li><li><a title="Los Macuanos - Pasado y Presente ft. Lucrecia Dalt (Official Music Video) - YouTube" rel="nofollow" href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RNL6Kv0ct74">Los Macuanos - Pasado y Presente ft. Lucrecia Dalt (Official Music Video) - YouTube</a></li></ul>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<p>It&#39;s been a tumultuous time for DEI (diversity, equity, and inclusion) efforts in higher education. Whether due to political pressure, internal arguments, or both, many prominent institutions are revamping their DEI offices (or even eliminating them altogether) and rethinking DEI policies that once seemed unquestionable. Amori Mikami from the University of British Columbia re-joins the show to talk about the changes and what she thinks universities ought to be doing (as well as what she thinks we can do better).</p>

<p>Along the way, Yoel and Amori talk about the use of race and gender in hiring, diversity statements, October 7 and the Gaza war, and institutional neutrality (in short, this episode touches every third rail imaginable). There&#39;s some debate and some agreement, but most importantly we both finish our beers.</p><p>Special Guest: Amori Mikami.</p><p>Links:</p><ul><li><a title="Amori Mikami - UBC Department of Psychology" rel="nofollow" href="https://psych.ubc.ca/profile/amori-mikami/">Amori Mikami - UBC Department of Psychology</a> &mdash; Associate Head, Equity, Diversity and Inclusion</li><li><a title="The rise of citational justice: how scholars are making references fairer" rel="nofollow" href="https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-022-00793-1">The rise of citational justice: how scholars are making references fairer</a></li><li><a title="Los Macuanos - Pasado y Presente ft. Lucrecia Dalt (Official Music Video) - YouTube" rel="nofollow" href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RNL6Kv0ct74">Los Macuanos - Pasado y Presente ft. Lucrecia Dalt (Official Music Video) - YouTube</a></li></ul>]]>
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  <title>Episode 107: Against Anti-DEI Rhetoric</title>
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  <pubDate>Wed, 30 Aug 2023 06:00:00 -0400</pubDate>
  <author>Yoel Inbar, Michael Inzlicht, and Alexa Tullett</author>
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  <itunes:title>Against Anti-DEI Rhetoric</itunes:title>
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  <itunes:author>Yoel Inbar, Michael Inzlicht, and Alexa Tullett</itunes:author>
  <itunes:subtitle>Alexa is joined by Jennifer Gutsell to discuss the controversy surrounding Yoel's visit to UCLA. They critique the use of anti-DEI rhetoric in these conversations, and ask if psychology is in denial about the progress we've made.</itunes:subtitle>
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  <description>&lt;p&gt;Jennifer Gutsell joins Alexa to discuss the  controversy surrounding Yoel's experience interviewing at UCLA. They focus on a post, written by Alexa, in which she pushes back against defenses of "viewpoint diversity" and argues that the graduate petition advocating for diversity, equity, and inclusion (DEI) was a brave effort that should be taken seriously. Jennifer elaborates on these ideas, suggesting that there are some views that are not up for debate, and emphasizing the care that is required when having theoretical discussions without a personal stake in the matter. Alexa and Jennifer  go on to connect these ideas to a paper written by Kevin Durrheim in which he proposes that psychology's emphasis on our progressive accomplishments silences the deeper reality of racism within our field.  Special Guest: Jennifer Gutsell.&lt;/p&gt;
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    <![CDATA[<p>Jennifer Gutsell joins Alexa to discuss the  controversy surrounding Yoel&#39;s experience interviewing at UCLA. They focus on a post, written by Alexa, in which she pushes back against defenses of &quot;viewpoint diversity&quot; and argues that the graduate petition advocating for diversity, equity, and inclusion (DEI) was a brave effort that should be taken seriously. Jennifer elaborates on these ideas, suggesting that there are some views that are not up for debate, and emphasizing the care that is required when having theoretical discussions without a personal stake in the matter. Alexa and Jennifer  go on to connect these ideas to a paper written by Kevin Durrheim in which he proposes that psychology&#39;s emphasis on our progressive accomplishments silences the deeper reality of racism within our field. </p><p>Special Guest: Jennifer Gutsell.</p><p>Links:</p><ul><li><a title="Two Psychologists Four Beers on Untappd" rel="nofollow" href="https://untappd.com/user/fourbeerspod">Two Psychologists Four Beers on Untappd</a></li><li><a title="Against Anti-DEI Rhetoric (Alexa&#39;s Post)" rel="nofollow" href="https://www.fourbeers.com/articles/againstantidei">Against Anti-DEI Rhetoric (Alexa's Post)</a></li><li><a title="Conversational Silencing of Racism in Psychological Science: Toward Decolonization in Practice - Kevin Durrheim, 2023" rel="nofollow" href="https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/17456916231182922">Conversational Silencing of Racism in Psychological Science: Toward Decolonization in Practice - Kevin Durrheim, 2023</a></li><li><a title="Episode 263: Free Yoel | Very Bad Wizards podcast" rel="nofollow" href="https://verybadwizards.com/episode/episode-263-free-yoel">Episode 263: Free Yoel | Very Bad Wizards podcast</a></li><li><a title="A Political &#39;Dress&#39; and Test - by Matthew Lieberman" rel="nofollow" href="https://matthewlieberman.substack.com/p/a-political-dress-and-test">A Political 'Dress' and Test - by Matthew Lieberman</a></li><li><a title="A review of White‐centering practices in multiracial research in social psychology - Garay - 2021 - Social and Personality Psychology Compass - Wiley Online Library" rel="nofollow" href="https://compass-onlinelibrary-wiley-com.libdata.lib.ua.edu/doi/full/10.1111/spc3.12642">A review of White‐centering practices in multiracial research in social psychology - Garay - 2021 - Social and Personality Psychology Compass - Wiley Online Library</a></li></ul>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<p>Jennifer Gutsell joins Alexa to discuss the  controversy surrounding Yoel&#39;s experience interviewing at UCLA. They focus on a post, written by Alexa, in which she pushes back against defenses of &quot;viewpoint diversity&quot; and argues that the graduate petition advocating for diversity, equity, and inclusion (DEI) was a brave effort that should be taken seriously. Jennifer elaborates on these ideas, suggesting that there are some views that are not up for debate, and emphasizing the care that is required when having theoretical discussions without a personal stake in the matter. Alexa and Jennifer  go on to connect these ideas to a paper written by Kevin Durrheim in which he proposes that psychology&#39;s emphasis on our progressive accomplishments silences the deeper reality of racism within our field. </p><p>Special Guest: Jennifer Gutsell.</p><p>Links:</p><ul><li><a title="Two Psychologists Four Beers on Untappd" rel="nofollow" href="https://untappd.com/user/fourbeerspod">Two Psychologists Four Beers on Untappd</a></li><li><a title="Against Anti-DEI Rhetoric (Alexa&#39;s Post)" rel="nofollow" href="https://www.fourbeers.com/articles/againstantidei">Against Anti-DEI Rhetoric (Alexa's Post)</a></li><li><a title="Conversational Silencing of Racism in Psychological Science: Toward Decolonization in Practice - Kevin Durrheim, 2023" rel="nofollow" href="https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/17456916231182922">Conversational Silencing of Racism in Psychological Science: Toward Decolonization in Practice - Kevin Durrheim, 2023</a></li><li><a title="Episode 263: Free Yoel | Very Bad Wizards podcast" rel="nofollow" href="https://verybadwizards.com/episode/episode-263-free-yoel">Episode 263: Free Yoel | Very Bad Wizards podcast</a></li><li><a title="A Political &#39;Dress&#39; and Test - by Matthew Lieberman" rel="nofollow" href="https://matthewlieberman.substack.com/p/a-political-dress-and-test">A Political 'Dress' and Test - by Matthew Lieberman</a></li><li><a title="A review of White‐centering practices in multiracial research in social psychology - Garay - 2021 - Social and Personality Psychology Compass - Wiley Online Library" rel="nofollow" href="https://compass-onlinelibrary-wiley-com.libdata.lib.ua.edu/doi/full/10.1111/spc3.12642">A review of White‐centering practices in multiracial research in social psychology - Garay - 2021 - Social and Personality Psychology Compass - Wiley Online Library</a></li></ul>]]>
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